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Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 12:04:25 PM

SpartyBob

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What does one use to clear over Createx? Going to be creating wooden outdoor signs with Createx designs on them, and then want to clear them to add a little shine and help protect them from the weather.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 12:08:01 PM

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You can clear them with almost anything. That is true of nearly all water-based paints. I use automotive urathanes (A local body shop does it for me.) I would rather you use Auto-Air colors though.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 12:14:06 PM

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I have used Frog Juice (Check with your local sign shop) Or Miniwax Polyurothane spray. Works Great! Myke

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 12:25:09 PM 1 votes

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Dale,
How do you prep the wood before you use Auto Air Colors? What type of primer?
Also, does the urethane clear coat have a shine to it?
Thanks,
PJL

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 12:32:49 PM

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Dale, thanks for the heads up on "Auto-Air". I'm way new at this so I dont even know what paint is the preferred brand. The local art shop where I purchased my Iwata sells Createx and the owner threw a sample (6) pack of Createx primary colors in with my AB so that is what I'm useing to play with. I think right now, for me, the best paint is free paint!

Thanks again.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 12:59:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SpartyBob

Dale, thanks for the heads up on "Auto-Air". I'm way new at this so I dont even know what paint is the preferred brand. The local art shop where I purchased my Iwata sells Createx and the owner threw a sample (6) pack of Createx primary colors in with my AB so that is what I'm useing to play with. I think right now, for me, the best paint is free paint!

Thanks again.

Not if the job doesn't last! (Good grief! I'm sounding like the musical bear!!!)

Createx is for porous surfaces. Wood is porous, but not as porous at T-Shirts, which is what Createx is actually for.

Createx is even worse when used on non-porous surfaces like metal or glass. It just never seems to thoroughly dry! It stays a bit gummy, and thus, does not hold onto any clearcoat very well.

Auto-Air Colors are made by the same parent company as Createx, but they are not intended to be used for the same jobs. (Nowhere on the label does Auto-Air Colors have the word "Createx".)

To prime a wood surface for water-based paints, I prefer to use water-based primers or sealers. Petroleum based primers or sealers will work just fine UNLESS you plan to topcoat with petroleum based clear-coats. That includes automotive urethanes. They MIGHT attack and lift the petroleum or oil based primers.

Again, Createx is perfect for T-shirts because it does stay flexible. That's not true with Auto-Air Colors. It's a matter of using the right paint, for the right jobs, for the right reasons.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 1:13:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: p_lew33

Dale,
How do you prep the wood before you use Auto Air Colors? What type of primer?
Also, does the urethane clear coat have a shine to it?
Thanks,
PJL

Sorry! I missed that question. You bet your bippy it does! It's what your Cadillac is coated with! (Well OK, the Cadillac down the street.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 1:21:24 PM

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I have been using E'tac paint on wood. I first stain the wood with whatever stain you want then clear the wood with Minwax polyeurathane. After it dries you can rough up the surface with scotchbrite pads and then do your airbrushing. I then clear over that using the same Minwax polyeurathane. I do this on oak bars with airbrushed graphics on the top. Instead of the final coat of Minwax clear, you can use epoxy bar and table top coating. This gives a very durable hard thick finish. I am not sure how any of this would last outside in the weather. Probably not very long.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 1:23:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DalesArt

quote:

ORIGINAL: p_lew33

Dale,
How do you prep the wood before you use Auto Air Colors? What type of primer?
Also, does the urethane clear coat have a shine to it?
Thanks,
PJL

Sorry! I missed that question. You bet your bippy it does! It's what your Cadillac is coated with! (Well OK, the Cadillac down the street. )

Bippy - The part of you that (sometimes) bips.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 3:16:11 PM

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masabe (and Dale again),

Thanks for the info. The type of signs I plan to make will not hang out side permanently. They will be "name plate" style signs for people to hang on the front of their camper/trailers at the camp ground.

Example:

Welcome to our camp

THE SCHAAR'S

Bob & Deb

Westphalia, MI.

When the campers go home on Sunday, the sign gets packed away inside the camper. Still looking for ideas to paint some type of scenery on the sign too.

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 3:24:37 PM

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I have done some of those. Some I routed and then painted in the grooves. 1-Shot Sign Enamel is absoplutely PERFECT for that! Weatherproof too!

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 4:43:03 PM

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So Dale,
The bottom line on the Auto Air Colors is: You use a water based primer, and seal with an auto urethane. Would the urethane run through an Iwata G6 spary gun? My power jet comperssor only goes to 80 psi.....is that enough power for the urethanes? I see the car shows and those guys seem to have to huge compressor and larger spray guns.
I know you said you have an auto shop do yours for you....just thought I'd ask.
Thanks for the info.
PJL

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/8/2008 5:16:32 PM

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80 PSI is MORE than enough pressure!!! The big compressors are so the VOLUME (the amount of cubic feet of air compressed per minute) is enough to keep those big guns supplied. Otherwise they just plain run out of air!

Automobile urethane clear-coats are catalyzed - two chemicals mixed together that causes them to harden - like epoxy glue. If that happened inside your airbrush, you would find it nearly impossible to get it out!

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RE: Silly question, I'm sure - 4/9/2008 9:16:45 PM

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Therre is a "SPAR URETHANE" available at your local hardware store. It's made to protect wood outside. I've used it on signs and stuff over creatix but you can't spray it. Gotta brush it on.

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